========================================================================= INFO-ATARI16 Digest Fri, 19 Jan 90 Volume 90 : Issue 71 Today's Topics: 42 meg Hard Drive for Atari ST for sale Atari dealers in New England ? GNU/Sozobon C question (2 msgs) PS font question Shareware MICRO RTX (2 msgs) Smalltalk on the Atari ? ST S/ware Rental Places ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Jan 90 18:01:53 GMT From: shlump.nac.dec.com!engage.enet.dec.com!oldtmr!wallace@decuac.dec.com (Ray Wallace) Subject: 42 meg Hard Drive for Atari ST for sale Message-ID: <1431@engage.enet.dec.com> 42meg HARD DRIVE - $500 This is an Atari SH204 hard disk with the 20 meg drive replaced with a 42 meg drive. The 42 meg drive has a 40ms average seek time, which is MUCH faster than the 20 meg drive which normally comes in the SH204. Complete with cables and necessary HD software. Already formatted (11mb,11mb,10mb,10mb) and ready to boot. Includes a bunch of PD programs already on the drive. Asking $500 (that's less than the price of a 20meg drive). Reason for selling - I've just bought a complete system which came with this hard drive, since I already have a HD I don't need this one. --- Ray Wallace (508)493-9241 (days) (508)534-0699 (evenings) (INTERNET,UUCP) wallace@oldtmr.enet.dec.com (UUCP) ...!decwrl!oldtmr.enet!wallace (INTERNET) wallace%oldtmr.enet@decwrl.dec.com --- ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 90 21:59:21 GMT From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net (Rob Demillo) Subject: Atari dealers in New England ? Message-ID: <25904@brunix.UUCP> In article <9001170806.AA27170@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> BALTUCH@BRANDEIS.BITNET (Jacob Baltuch) writes: >Any Atari dealer left in New England (mostly Boston area) ? > I'd even be ready to go as far as Providence or >New Hampshire. Thanks. > In that case: there is a very "ok" one in Warwick, RI that I always go to. Software Connection. If you need specific details, email me. Also, I think there is one in Seekonk. Good luck. Also, try contacting the BCS, they'll know the dealers in the area. - Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu Brown University | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home) "I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!" ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 90 22:04:37 GMT From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net (Rob Demillo) Subject: GNU/Sozobon C question Message-ID: <25906@brunix.UUCP> In article <4704.25b440a7@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith) writes: |In article <25724@brunix.UUCP|, rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes: |[ some useful (and correct) information about GNU deleted ] || gcc - this is GNU's public domain C++ compiler. || (and on, and on, and on...) |NO! What you describe is g++, GNU's version of C++, and not gcc. |-- |Eric R. Smith email: Ack! Eric is right! Forgive me Mostafa! Everything I said is true of g++, not gcc. gcc is also by GNU, but is a straight C compiler, as Eric pointed out. Sorry about adding to the confusion...I should look before I type... - Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu Brown University | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home) "I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!" ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 90 22:31:27 GMT From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net (Rob Demillo) Subject: GNU/Sozobon C question Message-ID: <25911@brunix.UUCP> In article <1990Jan17.154602.19880@chinet.chi.il.us> saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) writes: >The previous reply in this thread had an error and a statement I disagree with. >1)gcc is the GNU C compiler. It's available for the Atari ST, and is compliant >with the draft ANSI standard. There's also g++, the GNU C++ compiler, which >is not C, and if it's ?iavailable for the ST, that's very recent. Yup. I f**ked up. Typed/read two c's when I was aiming for two +'s. Again, my apologies. (Can I bow out of this gracefully now? Or does someone else want to pipe up and point this out?) > >2)I like Mark Williams C. OK. Like I said. I had no direct experience with MWC, just that two friends who have it, have found problems with it. > Steve J. - Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu Brown University | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home) "I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!" ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 90 19:15:17 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu !neat.cs.toronto.edu!omicron.cs.fsu.edu!fsucs.cs.fsu.edu!boyd@ucsd.edu (Mickey Boyd) Subject: PS font question Message-ID: <9001190657.AA26056@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu> In article <1990Jan18.134552.6495@cs.dal.ca>, silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert) writes: >Although I have PageStream 1.8, I find that I still use Publishing >Partner a lot. Now that we have a new laser printer at work, I wish >that I had picked up the PostScript font disk when it was still > ...... stuff deleted Are these fonts needed to pipe output to a PS file? Do any come with the original? I want to get a desktop publishing program that can write PS files, to be able to use other printers than my dot matrix for important stuff. I would also like to include some rudimentary diagrams and rounded boxes in my work. Do PP or Page Stream have this ability? Are there any other desktop publishing programs that create PS files? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey Boyd | "Nobody can be exactly like me. | Even I have trouble doing it." FSU Comp Sci | - Tallulah Bankhead ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 90 18:28:34 GMT From: cs.yale.edu!fischer-michael@CS.YALE.EDU (Michael Fischer) Subject: Shareware MICRO RTX Message-ID: <12117@cs.yale.edu> In article <874@bdt.UUCP> david@bdt.UUCP (David Beckemeyer) writes: > >I am sending a SHAREWARE version of the MICRO RTX multitasking >operating system for the Atari ST to comp.binaries.atari.st. Has this been tested under TOS 1.4? The announcement didn't say. ================================================== | Michael Fischer | | Arpanet: | | Bitnet: | | UUCP: | ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 90 19:51:16 GMT From: shlump.nac.dec.com!harpo.enet.dec.com!powers@decuac.dec.com (Bill Powers) Subject: Shareware MICRO RTX Message-ID: <7614@shlump.nac.dec.com> > > > >I am sending a SHAREWARE version of the MICRO RTX multitasking > >operating system for the Atari ST to comp.binaries.atari.st. > > Has this been tested under TOS 1.4? The announcement didn't say. I would assume it works under TOS 1.4. Dave probably uses MICRO RTX in MT-C Shell, his multi user multi tasking kernel. MT-C Shell works under TOS 1.4, as I use it. IMHO - Dave writes good stuff. Bill Powers ---- Digital Equipment Corp. - Advanced Service Delivery Systems - Stow MA The opinions expressed above are my own, not my employers, so there. TELEPHONE - (508) 496 - 8725 E-MAIL - powers@harpo.enet.dec.com - ...!decwrl!harpo!powers ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 90 08:22:57 GMT From: hp-ses!hpbbn!hpgnd!jmrosset@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Jean-Michel ROSSET) Subject: Smalltalk on the Atari ? Message-ID: <4280006@hpgnd.HP.COM> Is there any implementation of smalltalk-80 or smalltalk V available on the Atari-ST ? I've heard there is an implementation of Little smalltalk, but this one has not the graphical capabilities of the real smalltalk environments. Jean-Michel Rosset jm@hpgnd.gre.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 90 22:28:00 GMT From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net (Rob Demillo) Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places Message-ID: <25910@brunix.UUCP> In article <1990Jan17.065533.601@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gl8f@astsun.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes: >In article <25723@brunix.UUCP> rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes: >>In article <2625@cunixc.cc.columbia.edu> ia4@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes: >>>I know of only one place where ST s/ware rentals are possible...... >>>does anyone have a list of more places? >>>Please email and oblige >> >>Yeah. And with any luck they'll *all* go out of business. Piracy >>has almost killed Atari...that's all that's needed is a thinly >>veiled software "rental" place. > >Needless to say, it's extremely rude to call some people pirates >because they rent software. Libraries rent books, video stores rent >movies. Video stores rent Nintendo carts, which contain software. > Sorry, Greg...I stand by my claim. And the Federal Trade Commission stands with me, I'm afraid. (As does STart, BYTE, PC Week, etc. They no longer accept advertising from software "rental" places.) Your analogies do not hold. If books were as easy to copy as software, you can bet there would be similar complaints. In the early 80's, record rental places were outlawed by the FBI because of record piracy. In the latter half of the 80's, the same complaints led to delays on DAT recording media. Video rental stores were also under attack for copying, but as it is more difficult to copy a video tape (not everyone has two VCRs) the losses were considered minimal. Rental of Nintyendo game carts is legit since not that many people have ways of reading the ROMs or EPROMs, let alone copying them. If there was such a way, you can bet that you wouldn't be able to find Nintendo at your local video store. Computer software is (currently) the *easiest* media to copy - and your copy is an *exact* duplicate, not some scratchy re-recording of a record. I have been to a total of 15-20 different software "rental" places, and *every* last one of them made no bones about the fact that "whatever you did with out their knowledge was none of their concern." Frankly, Greg, I consider it *rude* to steal. I am a professional programmer, I work *hard* for my money. If I want to give away my code, fine...if some tries to "rent ity," I'd be on their back with a pack of lawyers. If you don't think piracy has wounded the software industry - look around. Atari software, by the way, is acknowledged as being the hardest hit. Atari roots are in gaming (regardless of what we all pretend), and certain gamers (not all) find absolutely nothing wrong with "lending" copies to their friends. And, if you can lend out "Joust," why not Lotus 1-2-3? Atari users even had access to "thru the mail" software "rental" agencies. The user never even had to see the owner of the store, let alone account for his/her actions. >In short -- piracy is an issue you deal with by educating users, not >by insulting legitimate businesses. I agree completely. And don't believe I have insulted legitimate businesses. If you want to see a piece of software run, go to a store and ask the proprieter to start up a copy for you. I have never been refused this request. > >Btw, gcc is not a C++ compiler. g++ is a C++ compiler. gcc's feature is >that it's ANSI C. Yup. You are quite right. I posted my apology earlier. > >Greg Lindahl >gl8f@virginia.edu Astrophysicists for Choice. - Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu Brown University | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home) "I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!" ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V90 Issue #71 ****************************************